People champion Julie Turney on leading from the heart in Barbados HR world

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Value through Vulnerability (boosted by HumansFirst) Host Garry Turner, Sponsored by Aequip

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Julie Turney is the HR Manager at Hyuna International Ltd. An e-commerce firm based in Barbados. Her relationship with HR began 15 years ago through the encouragement of a mentor. Through her experience, Julie has adopted a people focussed approach to how she practices HR. As a certified Agile HR professional, she internalizes the people over process mantra in everything she does. Julie believes that all practitioners must create a synergy between HR information systems while humanizing the process of taking care of employees in the workplace. As the founder of Disrupt HR Caribbean and through her Podcast HR Sound Off as well as public speaking engagements, Julie is on a mission to equip the HR community with the knowledge and best practices to create better practitioners and professionals in the workplace.

Garry Tuner 

Welcome to the Value through Vulnerability podcast boosted by HumansFirst and sponsored by Aequip. I’m your host Garry Turner. And we come together on this podcast as we jointly believe in putting the human back into humanity through championing inclusion, improving voice for all, and designing work to support everybody thriving. quip offers a mobile first organizational listening tool that gives voice and visibility to every single employee, whether they are deskless, office base or fully remote. This matters as it allows you to access more of the human potential that you’re already paying salaries for and also help surface process improvements and innovation from those that have the best information and also helps build fully inclusive cultures that embrace, celebrate and leverage the difference that race, disability, gender and diversity of thought brings. All of the above will both improve performance and minimize the cost of doing business. 

I’m also really excited to be on this journey with Mike Vacanti, my co host, who is founder of the HumansFirst Club movement. You can find all of the Open and Inclusive Hangouts, one of which takes place every Monday at 12pm. UK, or 1pm Central European Time. You can find details for the Thursday and Friday call as well as the Monday call at online. And you can also find contact details for the Aequip team at We really hope that you’re subscribed to this podcast so that we can send you our weekly installment as soon as it comes out. And as always, we welcome your challenges, your additions to the conversation and anything else that may resonate with you. Please feel free to share on your favorite channel. And indeed, we look forward to hearing from you. We really hope you enjoyed this conversation.

Garry Turner 0:00
Julie’s own podcast is called HR sound off. She’s also leads Disrupt HR Caribbean, she’s passionate about people first cultures and this is the important one listeners, please go out to publicize it right now because Julie is in the process of writing a book called Confessions of an HR Professional. So I’m going to be signing up. I hope that you do too. Welcome to the podcast.

Julie Turney 0:25
Thank you for having me. I am so excited to be here and talk to you both. Mike, and Garry I admire you so much so thank you for trusting me with your sound, and your voice, and to have this conversation.

Garry Turner 0:41
Well, I think it’s fair to say to the joy is going to be one of our all ours, Julie, because we’ve been connected for some time now and it’s only been recently we actually had a proper conversation. I was just blown away by your clarity, your hope, your drive, and your vision, I’d love for you to share with our listeners today a little bit of how do you get to where you are right now in sort of like less than five minutes, just for fun.

Julie Turney 1:09
Thank you so much. I don’t know that I can do it in less than five minutes and I’m gonna try, I’m gonna try I promise. It’s been a journey, like, I think life is a journey and how you take the humps and bumps and they’ve had a lot of those, you know, but I’ve just gotten to this point by accepting the things that I can’t change, by just embracing whatever has happened to me as moments of growth opportunities to learn and develop myself. So with the good the bad and the indifferent, here I am, and this is me, I’m ok with me, I love me, that far I am me.

Garry Turner 1:55
I’ve never had a whole 40 minutes of podcast in two minutes before. Like, what a lesson. So would you mind just unpicking just a little bit of it for us as much as your willing as this is Value through Vulnerability, as much as you’re comfortable. What are some of those key pivot points or learnings been for you that’s brought you to being this incredible leader of all those different things that I introduced you.

Julie Turney 2:20
For me it’s about learning through failure. It’s about embracing it, and there was a time in my life when I didn’t. When I thought that feeling was something terrible. It’s about experiences that I’ve had that were bad, and I’ve just recognized that. That’s not who I want to be and I want to be the opposite of those people that I’ve encountered who have caused me pain from that time in my life. And recognizing through that, what I have to offer people is is bigger than restricted myself to one company and working for that company for the rest of my life, but just knowing that every single person that I touch.

No matter where I am, no matter who they are, that I have something valuable to offer. That is going to change someone’s life, that the words that I speak in any moment will either make someone feel like they’re valid, that they’re valuable, or that I could curse someone with my words as well. And just choosing to be the opposite of the things that I know that I experienced in my life that I didn’t like that hurt me.

Garry Turner 3:45
It’s coming up for you, Mike.

Mike Vacanti 3:47
Just, there’s the invitation to you know for everybody listening to, to connect to them to actually dive in on that because it’s, it’s very true and genuine and, and honestly I believe it’s very understated to, because that is how you show up and and when you give that brief introduction and you’re ultra humble manner that you did not want the listeners to miss. How large that actually is because you live in, and offer that to those that you engage with every day. And just to put that into context of even another thing that you shared is about being able to focus on the things you can change, you know with the acceptance of the things you can then look at what you’re taking on. Those are things that people will say well we can’t change that you’re just going yeah that to my to change bucket. And so there’s, there’s this strength and boldness that you exude.

You do it in such a kind and humble way. And I think that people miss the paradox of that true strength. And the mindset, it takes to be in that I can change, big thing. I can do it with my inner strength and not, you know, of bullhorn and a whip.

Julie Turney 5:30
Yeah, yeah. And I think that a lot of that comes from.There was a time when I wasn’t comfortable with myself and just being in that speaks now where I recognize that. I’m, I am a beautiful person I do have a lot to offer and, you know, I’ve developed a thing recently, which is. I’m not for everyone and everyone is not for me. And that is okay. And when I’m able to pretty much exist, you know, based on the fact that some people aren’t gonna like what I have to say, some people aren’t gonna like what I have to say. Some people are gonna like what I do, some people aren’t gonna like what I do.

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And working in the Human Resources profession where a lot of people, lead with policy, hide behind policy, hide behind leadership, hide behind legislation, instead of focusing on people and whatever is causing them pain and finding a way to ease their pain, instead of leading with empathy, which is the thing that I choose to do. A lot of people don’t like that. But a lot of people are recognizing especially in this particular season where we’re dealing with a pandemic that a lot of us have never lived through before, we’re living through such uncertainty.

A lot of people are recognizing the importance of leading with heart, and that it is important to do that now. Whereas, that’s something we all three of us have been doing for a very long time. But I’m glad that people are recognizing that now. I just want to be able to show up every single time for for whoever I’m working with whoever comes into, into my speaks, as someone who is willing to listen and empathize and help, where I can.

Mike Vacanti 7:34
And it shows up so much when, when you think of, you know, what’s the certification program that gets people into that right to get them focused on those right things and. And I love how you bring that into your teaching rights you give voice to that through your podcast. And I imagine. That’s where the book is focused. Also, and

Julie Turney 8:01
Oh this book…

This book has been in my head, and my heart for a very long time. Again, as I said before, I live, I live a lot of what I what I do and what I experienced as a result of things that happened to me that I didn’t like. And just knowing that I wanted to live, opposite of that. And so when I decided to write this book, I didn’t have a title at all. I just knew I needed to share with people, especially in the HR profession that, as they go through situations, good, bad or indifferent, where you feel that you’re alone, you’re not alone.

There are a lot of us who go through a lot of things, whether it’s as it relates to having a good boss, whether it relates to, you know, giving people the best experience you could possibly give them from end to end. From hiring them to bring them through the organization and watching them develop and grow, and the strength and the joy you can get from that to, you know, diversity and inclusion and why it’s important to understand that, you know, we want to hire the best people for the job.

No matter who they are, no matter what they look like, or where they come from. I don’t want their beliefs, and the challenges that I experienced as a matter of fact, when I wrote that I had this conversation with someone two days ago, when they will make the chapter on diversity and inclusion I actually cried the entire chapter, for the entire time that I cried, because I chose to talk about diversity and inclusion from the perspective of my mother and my grandmother, and what they experienced being members of the Windrush generation from Barbados to the UK and their experience in the job, on the job. While they were that particular moment, as you know, black women, trained to, you know, provide for their families, and listening to their stories, as I grew up, and being able to now put that in a book. It’s very painful for me. And so I’ve gone through a lot of emotions as I wrote this book, but I chose not to write this book, although I actually have 12 people who actually trusted me with their words with their voice and added a couple of chapters to the book as well. I really appreciate them so much for trusting their voice. Again, I think a lot of people come from a space of where we exist the way we do now, because we don’t want to live our lives with the hurt that people have passed through us.

There’s a point where you say to yourself, okay. I don’t want to live my life in regret, I don’t want to live my life with anger that people have done to me, so there’s a point where I say, I’ve got to, you’ve got to let it go. In order to be able to give and in order to be able to be your best self, you can’t hold on to this anger and grief and pain. How do you channel it, and I chose to channel a lot of it in my book, the experiences that I’ve had on the job terminating people that I don’t feel deserve to be terminated. But I didn’t have the power that I that I have now to say okay. No, this is wrong. I will not do this.

And, you know, listening to experience and employees with mental health issues, how it felt. When I experienced my first employee committing suicide. And these are the things that I talk about in this book because it’s not a textbook. This is a life that I am living with the experiences that people are entrusting me with their lives. And as an HR professional I’m not just about the policy I’m not just about the legislation but I am 110% of all the people.

And what they’re going through as they come to work every single day trying to separate their human to do a job, when they shouldn’t have to do that. That’s what I’m talking about in this book. And for me as an HR professional recognizing that the people experience is 100% crucial to the success of any business and any company that right now is ignoring the people experience in this particular time of season. I’m sorry, I can’t wish you success. We are not caring about your people. I can’t do that. And I want you all to know that as HR professionals, there are a lot of us out there who care about the people, and we’re not just about the work we’re not just about the policy we’re not just about the legislation.

But what happens behind closed doors when we are fighting for you. We don’t think that we are, you know, the blood, the sweat, the tears, the pain that we go through. I wanted to share that with people so that they could understand what being human, really means that there are people like me who are in this profession because we genuinely care, you love people and we want what’s best for them. That’s what this book is about,

Garry Turner 13:45
Oh so powerful, Julie, thank you, sorry to hear about that experience that you just thought I can only imagine, but let’s just think it just, again, it’s how experience you the bravery, humility. You are a role model of what you want to see in the world and I think I’d really invite us me, my, all of us listening to this conversation. What is that version if you if I may invite you just to think about what’s the version of you that you would love to espouse in the world. But for whatever reason you tell yourself that you can’t right. Like, what is actually getting in the way. Because what I’d love to. Let’s come back to the book shortly Julie, you spoke earlier about the importance of empathy. And you said that can be difficult for people. And I’m wondering in your experience, what, why is it sometimes difficult for people to deal with others when they are being empathetic in your experience.

Julie Turney 14:41
So for a lot of people. I think it’s about their mindset. I think it’s also about your culture, and your background, so how how you were raised has a lot to do with how you show up in this in any particular moment. But I think that there are a lot of people who are followers and they’re not leaders. There are a lot of people who are not individualistic. So, instead of you thinking about how you should show up to someone in a particular moment you let’s say Mike and I feel a certain way about a situation that’s happening. And you may feel differently about it but because Mike and I feel so strongly about it we’re all in agreement.

You decide not to tell us how you feel. I think a lot of people do that when they’re making decisions when they’re interacting with people. If the crowd says, No, we’re not going to do this instead of you saying no this is wrong. You cower and you go with the flow, because you don’t want to rock the boat. I think a lot of people are like that. But I also think that if you shift that mindset, recognize what could happen if I did rock the boat. What would happen if I did say yeah, this isn’t right. You know, and I give my reasons, and they make sense, then you could shift make and I to your side, very easily through a conversation, but then we have fear and all those other negative feelings that stop us from doing and seeing things that we want to do and see.

That’s what I think it is. That makes sense?

Mike Vacanti 16:37
Makes a lot of sense. And fear is such a driver. Right. And oftentimes it’s not even fear of harm, it’s fear of rejection. It’s fear of insignificance because I wasn’t able to change your mind. But, you know, when you say get up and rock the boat, I you know I that that became Garry laughs a little bit because he knows that my advice to everybody would be stand up and get ready to go for a swim, it’s required.

Julie Turney 17:11

Mike Vacanti 17:13
That’s our gift to offer. It is not to be along for the ride but either either paddle, or, or change direction and, and that’s really what we’re. What we’re looking at doing. And you do that so well by when you say mindset, Julie I you know I hear you say focus on the things that are most important. And you talked about, you know, it’s not just compliance, it’s not just rules and regulations and all the things that are requirements of the role of HR. However, how often does legislation come through that needs to disrupt everything. Occasionally or, you know, not that frequently to have that be the focus so once that’s in place, where does. Where does the mindset where, where does the attention go and I love how you put that. Now let’s help people be the best version of themselves, and even a definition around that can be hard right because people haven’t been asked to do that before you give them a version of me. You have to get up and rock that boat. What are you thinking, how are you showing up, are you truly present expressing with confidence that your voice matters. And that, it’s, it’s such a clear state to achieve. It’s such a long journey to get there, and I appreciate your strength in creating that path. And the invitation for those to walk along your side.

Julie Turney 19:03
Thank you. Everything is a day by day basis. I think if you live your life, day by day. Instead of looking at, you know, all the other things. The next day, eight months from now, a month from now. Sometimes that can add to your anxiety and, you know, you do it one day at a time, at least you’re writing off what you can shoot in that particular moment. That makes life a whole lot easier than trying to fight off two months from now, in one chunk. It’s impossible. Can’t do it you’ll drive yourself crazy.

Mike Vacanti 19:42
Do you feel supported or resisted as you go along those changes?

Julie Turney 19:49
Beautiful. But more supportive than with that. Now, I’ve felt resisted a lot in the initial stages of my journey. And I feel that it’s because when you surround yourself with the wrong people.

Then, it can shift you tremendously and I think there was a very big part of me that when I started this At Heart HR. And I, I, there was a very big part of me that was like why are you gonna do this. There are so many other people who are better than you who are really great nurses who are more well known who are well known to the community you are nobody What makes you think you can do this and pull this off. And then there was the other side of me that was well why not me. Like, why not me. I have this amazing platform that I want to share with people and they think, interacting with the two people who really helped me get this off the ground Katrina Collier, because she does the one in the UK. And then the amazing lady and amazing giver, very strong woman, and Jennifer McLemore for putting this out there along with Steve Brown. Meeting both of them, and talking to both of them and saying, This is my vision. I want to bring this to the Caribbean.

I feel like they need to experience this voices need to be heard. You know, you go to conferences and you hear the same, almost like you hear the same people over and over again and you’re like, but I want to hear someone different something different at Disrupt HR gives people that opportunity because it’s five minutes, who wouldn’t take a chance to see something for five minutes, whether it be good, bad or indifferent, you just say something for five minutes versus having a 30-40 minute segment on a conference 60 minute segment on a conference where you’re nervous. Five minutes on a stage to see something that’s disruptive about the way we work about innovation about culture, you know, and how we can inspire the workplace, I think is what we need in the Caribbean. That’s what I said. So Katrina and Jennifer and they were like okay we’re going to help you meet this happened. And the more I talked to people, into my first interaction with Garry, and we were talking about all the things.

My first impression of humans. Just welcoming me in that first segment.

The love that I felt the acceptance that I felt in that moment. And then the same thing. when I reached out to certain HR professionals on LinkedIn. And just learning, getting to know them and being intentional, with the fact that I wanted to get to know my HR community better. And the people that I’ve interacted with Since then, the support that I feel. Now, I know I can. It’s not that I can’t do anything, but I’m gonna do the best that I can in the most intentional way that I can that is going to impact people’s lives. And I do have a right to do it. And I know all that now because I didn’t all that before but I want it now, today, in this particular moment because I feel more supported than I feel restricted or that I feel like I’m not worthy of it.

Garry Turner 23:36
I’ve my whole body is going tinkle, tingle, tingle, tingle, tingle. The three things Julie honestly I just want to share really quickly one is just thank you for showing up so fully like we’ve got the privilege of seeing your energy, and how your body’s moving as you’re explaining what this means to you. Like, it’s, it’s electrifying. That’s why I said my body is literally tingling. Second thing, Katrina Collier. Thank you. You’re an incredible human being, she joined me back on episode 65 of this podcast, and is equally vulnerable as you so I can see why you to get on so well and as courageous.

Julie Turney 24:12
She’s amazing,

Garry Turner 24:13
Absolutely amazing.

Julie Turney 24:14
I love her to death.

Garry Turner 24:19
Just like to mention before we go forward, is a couple of times in different ways. You’ve spoken to the power of community, whether it’s the humans first community, whether it’s a district HR community, whether it’s your wider HR community, and I just love the invitation you’re giving every single one of us. If you’re feeling trapped, or low self worth, or a bit afraid, get out of that spot you’re in right now. Because there’s gonna be someone outside of that immediate spot that will be willing to help you support you and I just come up so clearly for me just

Julie Turney 24:55
Community is everything. I wish I’d known that before, but I’m glad that I knew it now. And that’s what I’m sharing with with people, actually yesterday I had a call with another beautiful lady, out of New York, Laura Missoula, and she. We were talking for the very first time and I said to her, she said she was feeling very lonely. As a result of COVID-19. She’s Irish she lives in originally from Connecticut, but she had moved to New York, working and living in New York. And she said, when COVID-19 hits you move back home with her parents but she’s feeling very lonely. As a result of not being able to have that face to face interaction with people, but she was enjoying having zoom calls with people and they said to her yesterday. Only yesterday…

There’s an amazing community that I want you to know. I want you to reach out to like give her the link to the HumansFirst club. And I said, Take your pick whatever day whatever time suits you. But I promise you, after your first call with a HumansFirst community, you will not feel alone. And I promise you that. She said to me, Julie, I’m definitely going to reach out and connect with HumansFirst I said please do, don’t for one second worry. There’s no judgment, there’s no, there’s nothing but acceptance. An embracing or, for lack of a better word I can’t describe it any other way but there’s that moment where you feel so connected to people you’ve never met before, who take a moment to listen to you, and can I share an experience that I had last week, on, on the HumansFirst call.

So last week I was in the worst place, like one of the worst places I can. How do we can, because being the empath buddy. There was a situation that happened here locally in Barbados where a 17 year old girl committed suicide. And that’s very few and far between, but it got to me, because I have children. And one of my, my sons, is 17. And it just put me in that space of oh my gosh like I’m always checking in with my children and maybe a bit too much. If you ask them, they probably see a bit too much, but I just know that teenage years and that in your teenage years, it’s very easily for you to drift away from your parents, and that connection you have with your parents between the ages of one and maybe 12. And when you hit your teenage years and you start to get friends and different things are happening to you it’s very easy if you’re not connected to your parents to disconnect even further and not tell them what’s going on.

And I just thought about what was happening in her life in that moment that she felt like the only way out was to end her life. And then I woke up on that Sunday morning and I saw on LinkedIn that Kirsty Bonner had ended her life. Someone who I also follow talks a lot about the employee experience on why it’s important for us to recognize that candidates are human beings, but we can’t just treat them like collateral, but that people have lives and they want to work. And we need to treat the right people.

She just didn’t want to be around anymore, that the world was better off. When she gave too much. That’s on Monday morning when they entered the HumansFirst call. I was late, I was 20 minutes late. And the session was already in, in swing. Everyone was in their breakout rooms, and I said to the host, at that time, I’m here because I know I need to be here. But I cannot speak today, and I don’t even know that I’m going to turn on my camera and they said Julie, that’s okay. Do you want to go in a breakout room, and listen to what’s happening? They gave me the gist of what was happening and I said, sure, I’ll go in a breakout room. And I went in a breakout room and I was, I told the people in the room at the time. Listen, I really not in that space today, can’t do this, but I know I need to be here. I just want to listen to what’s going on. Came back out to everyone came together.

And then we ended up in breakout rooms, again, and I ended up with four people, but it’s not the same four people that I was with the first time. And everyone started talking and for some reason, I don’t, I can’t remember who, when, why, but in that particular moment. It was probably Chris, you know, and I turn on my camera. And I said, I started to talk about why I was feeling the way I was feeling. And the level of love that I got in that moment, cannot be replaced. I will always remember how I felt. In that moment, going from I needed to join this call being 20 minutes late. Not being able to see anything not being able to even turn on my camera to them being able to turn on my camera and see something that’s what HumansFirst will do for you. Every single time.

And, but the fact that I was able to share that with someone who I met for the first time yesterday. Probably yes we followed each other across various platforms but yesterday was the first time that we actually spoke to each other. And we, being able to share with her. This community is. I feel blessed that I had that opportunity yesterday. And I every time I enter a HumansFirst call, I feel blessed. It’s like that thing. When I first started, it was like, I just want to join Let me see what this is all about. Now it’s in my, my calendar. I tell nobody called me between seven and eight am. I am on that call. Every Monday going forward for the last three months straight, I haven’t missed a beat. And I thank you, Mike. I thank you, Garry for that, and that I have the opportunity now to share that with other people.

I thank you for that.

Garry Turner 32:13
I can tell you now Julie that Mike is welling up without a doubt, which is why he’s not saying anything. Because like it is powerful community but I also want to recognize you. Yup. Every single time do you spend something to be about somebody else. Even when you’re selling me when you’re telling us about the benefits and how it helped you. Like, you’re promoting others, and I just think it’s just one of the most. And thank you for that, you know Mike has done has created an incredible thing and I don’t want to let that acknowledgement go. Absolutely, and every person that shows up every week is part of that regenerative energy that people experience that you experience or experience. But this podcast is about you. So I want to acknowledge actually just quite how profound this is. But how you can share such a deeply impactful experience for you. And you still turn it around to be about somebody else. And I just think that that is role modeling beyond, probably, many people that have experience that that is love-based leadership right there.

Mike Vacanti 33:24
Absolutely. You know, and it started from the first stories that you were sharing when you were talking about, you know, sharing the stories of your, your, your mother and your grandmother, right, and in the book and when you take those deep personal experiences. And you just bring it into flow so naturally. I mean it.

That in itself Julie is a true teaching for all of us to. For me, I should say, it’s a true teaching for me to really pay attention to that what a what a beautiful way to step into each day. And you use the word share. And I, when you were talking about your experience on Monday morning and getting to a point where you wanted to turn on your camera and share. And then as you speak about bringing other people in, and you do put the focus on other people so quickly. You have that sharing spirit that’s just amazing. And I think there probably couldn’t be a better way to state even what HumansFirst is one of the things that I’ve said, always is. It’s not to be wrong. It’s to be shared and just how you embrace that and and live them and share that with I just, I have a lot to learn from you. And this is wonderful, how you express how you let it flow. How you bring yourself fully into the story. Beautiful.

Julie Turney 35:15
Thank you.

One thing I say a lot, like, especially now when I have speaking engagements is that I love to tell stories. There was a time when I thought like when I go to talk to someone I share an experience I go like, how can I put this in a way that people can really understand it, but it’s my life. And so, It comes very naturally for me to share a story. Even when I’m talking to staff, and I say, you know, I’m a storyteller I always had a story to tell whether it’s about my children, or about my assistant Kiana because she is one of the truest blessings in my life ever. And I share a lot of stories about, about how Kiana shows up, because she teaches me a lot about how to show up as a human being.

I’m always recognizing the importance of sharing those stories and sharing those experiences because I think it’s important to know. I didn’t get here on my own. There were people who came into my life, whether it be for a season, or they’ve been there permanently. Or they’ve just passed through in a moment. There’s always someone who has passed through my life and impacted me in such a way that it’s made me who I am today whether it be good, bad or indifferent, that they’ve caused me. I am here today because of all of those people who have passed through my life or still in my life.

Mike Vacanti 36:58
There you have it to everyone, that is gratitude. That is maybe the best definition of gratitude that I’ve heard in a very very perfect.

Garry Turner 37:17
It is perfect, but I’m really conscious of, like, this is aside a lot Julie, but I really mean it. Like, I wish we had like three times as much time again. And I would like to get you back on but I’d like to use the last few minutes we spare together. Tell us a little bit more about if someone like if you’re listening to this conversation, thank you so much for joining us. But how, why would you not go and subscribe for a pre order of Confessions of an HR Professional after listening to this conversation, email me directly at Gary and Gary Turner dot like to give me your excuse and I’ll come and know I’m ready. But surely do do tell us for someone who wants to find out a little bit more of the context behind the book they’ve learned a lot about you today. Where can you direct them to what’s the URL, you know, how can they find out a bit more of me personally to try and try and get hold of this book.

Julie Turney 38:10
So, I am on all social media platforms as I do returning so I am Julie’s attorney, and I share on each of those particularly, LinkedIn, and Instagram, a lot about now starting to promote little pieces of the book and why would it and what it, what people are going to get from reading it. But the book is, I have my PR campaign is on There’s a video on there, we talking about the book on why I wrote it, along with the little write up, and there are some bonuses that are being offered in the preorder accounting. So if you buy more than one book, all of the books that you if you order now, and you are within that three order bundle number of people that I’m trying to get.

I’m going to sign every copy of those books before you get them, I do have some bonuses where if you order like four or more. You have an opportunity to join me on my podcast where you’ll have an opportunity to join me at Disrupt HR. So there are some bonuses that are happening right now. I’m happy to speak at any event that you have going on, you want to talk about the book for more. I’m happy to read a chapter, anything like that. So, those things I have going on right now but in totality is the book that I wish I had when they first entered the profession. It’s the book that I’m glad that I have now.

As I continue to be in the profession and enter my next iteration of my role as a, as a people champion. I don’t think that I would love to see that change from human resources, people experience is important and that’s what we’re trying to drive experiences and good experiences for people as they go in and out of organizations. And that’s what I’m, that’s what I’m going to focus going forward and they also enter the stage where they recognize the importance of helping HR professionals. We’re very, not prideful, well some of us are prideful. But for a lot of us because we’re so busy helping others we don’t take the time to help ourselves, or we don’t take the time to reach out to recognize that we need support, and it can be very consuming of itself as a rule, but the things that we take on and experience on a daily basis. I just want to let people in the chat know that I’m here for you.

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