Laura Storm on regenerative leadership and a sustainable world

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‘I had a minor traumatic brain injury in the summer of 2015. And that just kind of started a long and slow process towards something completely different and long story short, is that for two years I couldn’t do anything, and I couldn’t do anything but be more or less. Especially not the first year I was not able to have a conversation, to listen to radio, to read, to write, to think much, to be honest. So I escaped into nature and spent a lot of time alone in silence and in nature. And that whole experience of surrendering to silence and surrendering to something completely different…’

Laura Storm

Garry Turner  0:02  

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Welcome to Value through Vulnerability. This is a podcast dedicated to putting the human back into humanity. And I’ve got a very awesome human to join us today and you the listener and Laura Storm who is founder of Regenerators. And she’s also co author of a great book that’s out now called Regenerative Leadership, the DNA of life- affirming 21st century organizations Welcome to the podcast.

Laura Storm  2:25  

Thank you so much. I’ve been really looking forward to this.

Garry Turner  2:28  

Look, would you mind giving a little bit more of an expanded introduction as to who is Laura and where’s your passion comes from around this regenerative leadership space.

Laura Storm

Laura Storm  2:39  

Yes, I shall try and be very brief, so I have always known since I was a kid that I wanted work in the space of saving the environment, I guess you could call it. So as a kid I started up saving money and doing campaign stuff. I think I started as an eight or nine year old to buy a piece of the Amazon thought that I would be a kind of typical environmentalist, as soon as I finished high school I went to the Ecuadorian part of the Amazon and worked through the same organization, through which I had bought up the pieces of the rainforest and thought that I was spent some time there I ended up spending a few months there. Working with all sorts of things, all kinds of things, but quite quickly I got impatient, not because they’re not doing great work because they are, but I wanted, I just developed a desire within me to change things on a more systemic level, higher up I guess you could say that on the ground, although both are immensely important. I felt called to kind of understand the machine of business from the inside. 

So I went back, started business in Copenhagen and London and then slowly I started to initiate and create different global organizations working in the space of sustainability and climate change. So I’ve headed and helped start their coalition called the Copenhagen Climate Council, a group that was working on global climate change policy where we had people like Richard Branson involved. I later then started an organization called Sustania and that worked on making sustainability exciting and fun by providing people, a tangible vision of how a sustainable future could look like and and offer them concrete solutions so it became more kind of tangible instead of before we had communicated a lot using doom and gloom scenarios making people scared about the future, and having it be very pointed fingers if you’re not doing this, the world will go under where Sustainia he offered a more optimistic voice in the sense of let’s co-create on making a sustainable and thriving future where we all can live healthier, happier lives. 

And then, while I was doing nothing but work back in 2015, I was heading Sustainia that had grown to become quite a big organization. And I was the typical passionate leader who, who worked, non stop. I also became a mom in 2013. And, of course, also spent a lot of time being a mother, but I definitely also spent way too much time on work. So suddenly I had a major accident. And I had a minor traumatic brain injury in the summer of 2015. And that just kind of started a long and slow process towards something completely different and long story short, is that for two years I couldn’t do anything, and I couldn’t do anything but be more or less. Especially not the first year I was not able to have a conversation, to listen to radio, to read, to write, to think much, to be honest. So I escaped into nature and spent a lot of time alone in silence and in nature. 

And through that process and through that journey that I will talk about for hours, not because I’m particularly interesting but because it’s interesting, the breakdown that happens within a human, once they lose all their abilities and capabilities and no one was able to tell me whether I would ever recover. It’s interesting in and of itself, what happens to the mental psyche once you go through such a process. And obviously it had its very very very dark moments, very traumatic moments. But once I started to let go and surrender to healing instead of trying to falsely believe that I could project management or recovery of a brain injury. Once I surrendered to healing completely. I slowly started to see progress happen. Not from one day to the next. But slowly I started to, we could see progress happening

And that whole experience of surrendering to silence and surrendering to something completely different than what had been my default mode, my entire life was just very very mind blowing and eye opening. And in terms of my work, what it made me incredibly fascinated with was understanding the nature which I was surrounded by most of my time, and I could not believe that someone like me had worked in the space and sustainability my entire life, and did not know more about nature than I did. 

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So understanding nature systems, understanding how nature works how we need to collaborate, what nature does to me in my and my biology and my nervous system, and everything just became a great interest point for me and as soon as I was able to to read again then listen to podcasts and listen to audiobooks, that’s what I kind of immersed myself in for for a few years. And while also on the side recovering. And it was just one of those experiences where every day I had these big insights as to how I can’t believe why we have not applied this to leadership, which is sustainability and I started to kind of see this vision of, of how nature-inspired leadership and nature-inspired organizations and nature-inspired life could look like, and how this provided and offered a holistic framework and a holistic vision of of what we need to see change in our society as a whole. 

We see a massive collapse, when we look around breakdown after the breakdown of essential systems, human systems like logical systems and social systems. There’s a lot of breakdown going on in our world right now. You and I are talking in the midst of the Australian fires. There’s a lot of things that are breaking down and we are seeing more and more. We do look how independent we are of nature, and how what really, we are, we are just, we are part of nature. But what we have done for so long, is to separate ourselves from nature and we have created a sort of a false or a society that is more like an illusion of something that we can control that is a machine that we can kind of, I choose. And that is an illusion and that is something that I’m that I’m that I have come to see very very clearly. 

So that was a very long answer, but basically regenerative leadership, and the end of the kind of idea of regenerative development of our societies, is that notion that we need to draw on the intelligence of life itself, the intelligence of nature. And we need to dare to look at leadership as something that is holistic, that has not gotten to do with  implementing another set of rules or a new matrix, or new KPI system. It’s a holistic approach that starts with leaders understanding that they need to generate more value than they take, and they need to see themselves as part of a bigger ecosystem where everything that they negotiate and everything they put into the organization has an output. 

And is that something that is bringing life and vitality into the ecosystems that this entity influences, or is it, bringing forth degeneration and destruction to us, very harsh, but true words. So that’s a mindset that that me and my colleagues are trying to help facilitate that we as leaders need to see ourselves as ecosystem facilitators, that look more broadly than just, you know, our Excel sheets, and that we they dare look at the organization as a as a as an entity an organism that is alive.

Garry Turner  11:47  

Wow. Well, Laura. Thank you so much, first of all for being vulnerable and sharing your story and I think there’s so much that I’d love to explore with you. I think the first thing I’d like to go through, if I may, is, you spoke about how many more insights and realizations you had. While most because you were forced by your body to slow down. Which would you think you would have seen, half of what you saw had you continued at the pace you had before your body shut down.

Laura Storm  12:16  

And that’s of course something that I have that I have talked to myself and, and my partner and others a lot about. And in many ways I’m incredibly thankful for what happened because it was, it was very brutal and it was very harsh, and it was traumatic in many ways, but the way that it happened. And because I was not healing very quickly. It offered the duration that, in my case, I really needed to really and truly get the point. Because what we see is many people have maybe a shorter breakdown and they realize something has to change. But then they recover or then they’re back in their fast paced life and, and because our defaults and our programming are so deeply integrated in us, it’s very hard to change unless it becomes a conscious effort over time. And in my case, I was forced to have it be a conscious effort over time because I was healing. 

I mean, the brain just takes a while to regenerate if it’s hurting in such a bad way that was so we take to a constant kind of dedication to a new way of living life that had to integrate silence meditation and exercise getting out in nature, I had to be very strict with how as soon as I was able to work again. It was a blessing in disguise so that I was not able to fill my day with an eight or nine hour work day with meetings and la la la. No, I had to be very strict and how I prioritize my days so that I throughout my day had those breaks, that I could be in silence, that I could refuel my body also in terms of nutrition. And so that was a blessing in disguise, and I have talked to myself a lot about what would have happened had this not happened, and I’m pretty sure that that that instead I would have had a major stress breakdown, maybe a few years later, because the way that I was living was not in any way, sustainable.

And it was like I was so focused on my mission in life that I had put myself out of the equation, and I’ll share a funny story with you because once when I was living in the Amazon. One of the things we did was to go with big, what do they call in any English the machete knives, the big long tall, knives, and we would go out in the forest for many many hours, very very hard work to make sure that our land was not intruded and make sure that we would destroy snipers huts, if they were illegally in our territory, stuff like that. So we were in a hot kind of moist heat, walking for eight to 10 hours a day. And at that time I developed a mantra for myself that I was very proud of and that I had just applied on, up until the accident that every time the going got tough. I would repeat to myself, you’re a  machine, you’re a  machine, you’re a  machine, I would just think of myself like a machine, that I was that I was not allowed to feel tired I was not allowed to feel anything. I just had to keep on going because the work that I did was so immensely important.

And I think to some degree that goes for a lot of people that they feel what they are doing is so important. It may not be, but that’s what they keep telling themselves. It also goes for a lot of people that they are. They have designed their lives so much around getting that big salary that they can’t kind of envision a life without that big salary. So they become sort of like a prisoner of their own life design because they just have to, they have to bring in that monthly salary. And I think that whole notion of making yourself a machine and not daring to listen to what your body tells you what your intuition tells you goes through a lot of people when you look around today and that definitely was true to me. 

And I think we’ve just come to a breaking point of that way of operating in the world. It’s no longer that they can keep up. So, what we also talk about in the book and what I talk about when I’m out and presenting to corporate leaders, is that we have never been more stressed or depressed or anxious than we are today. And that’s just, that’s not me making that up. That is what all kinds of big stress reports are saying. Like this from Gallup was interviewing 154,000, adults, from 122 countries I believe it was. And, and the stats from that were just mind blowing, very depressing. 

So, we are all kind of breaking down and the systems around us, the ecosystems on which we depend is breaking down and I think part of what I believe is true is that no animal on this planet could truly be happy. Or truly thrive when they are messing up their own nest. To the degree that we are we, we may not realize that we may not see ourselves as nature lovers, or whatever you want to call that but we are all, an animal, living on a planet floating around the universe, and our natural habitat. And we have distance, and separated ourselves from, and no animal can thrive without a deep and strong connection to their natural habitat. No chimpanzee can feel alive, or happy when you shut them into a concrete building with artificial daylight. For most of their days, only to transport themselves in their car or on a bus to go home, get some sleep before they repeat, repeat the next day. But that’s what most of us human beings are, that’s most of how we have designed our lives, and it’s utter insanity when you stop looking at it like that. And so,

I lost my train of thought there

Garry Turner  19:10  

It’s a wonderful train of thought, thanks for sharing it with us because I think what I’m hoping what we’re hoping this conversation breeds is reflective space to think actually do I want to continue being that monkey trapped inside the building, 24/7 or can I, can we collectively become more conscious of the choices we make? So I’ll be very open, look, like three years ago, two years ago, the conversation we’re now having was not anywhere on my peripheral vision. 

That’s not because I’m special or you’re special or anybody else it’s just my, my consciousness level, my awareness just wasn’t there then. I knew about sustainability, I put the right hands in the right books, but the biggest system part I think is what’s scary. And I’d like to maybe have you talk a little bit about what is how, what are some of the ways, or what do we need to do as humans to step into the conversation, more fully around this bigger system, shift that we need to have, you know, what do we need to be? Do we need to be more vulnerable, we need to be more courageous, or listen more? Now what are some of the ways that we can right away, step into this conversation, do you feel?

Laura Storm P

Laura Storm  20:23  

We can make it very complex, and we can make it very simple, I mean, very simple. And then of course there are more nuances to it once you start embarking on that journey. But I think first and foremost it’s about a reconnection to ourself. That’s something that I did not have five years ago, I was so in my head. I was so focused on the next targets. I was so focused on the next keynote, to get or the next holiday to go on with my family. And my partner actually made fun of me because often on the weekends, because I was quite kind, if I wasn’t a workaholic I wasn’t working on the weekends. I prioritize spending time with my daughter and my partner and doing other kinds of things besides work. But it was just full on, on every platform that I engaged with. So even the weekends I started to project manage, like a CEO, which was just very very tiring. 

And I think had this, had I not had this accident I think we would have ended up getting a divorce because I was, I was just, yeah, I’m a bit, a bit of a mouthful, to be honest, and I think that goes for a lot of people that we become we become so kind of., we start going at a speed in our everyday life, that it’s very very hard to shift tracks in our weekends, and in the evenings, that to some extent our minds are still racing with full speed, and we want to keep ourselves busy because our body is so used to that kind of to that gear. And that’s, that’s not me making that up that’s like neurobiologically. 

And if we are not really, if we don’t want to start slowing down and and operating by another space by another speed, we will continue going at this speed that we have falsely trained our body to be on non stop, and basically it’s what is called the high beta mode, which is a mode that were developed over thousands and thousands of years going back and through our evolution, because it was important that that we as human beings to survive that we had a gear, or we face with a predator, or if someone was trying to kill us we needed that gear where our minds could work full, full speed and think of solutions non stop and have tunnel vision and only focus on what was ahead of us. 

But the problem is that now most of us are living in high beta, and that is incredibly energy consuming for our bodies and that is what makes what is making us sick, not only or not just with stress or breakdown, or all sorts of illnesses comes because we we are our body and our organism using so much energy on on on that drive the high beta mode that other parts of us starts shutting down. So, the simple answer was there to start reconnecting more with yourself and creating those spaces where you start to sense how I am. How am I actually feeling what is going on in my emotions in a landscape these days?

The bodily sensations that I have are often stored emotions, what has triggered them? Start to kind of explore with curiosity you’re in an emotional landscape and it’s not simple to do, but it’s the first and most important priority for a lot of us, because when we start doing that on a more regular basis. There’s a whole new world that slowly starts to unfold. And that happens for everyone if they put in the time and what I mean by that it’s that you have to learn to meditate in order to start seeing this new world. So, it can just be serving life at a slower pace where if you go for a walk in the park for 30 minutes, and instead of racing. Up in your mind with whatever is going on at work or how you want to organize the weekend, practice that awareness of being here. How is my body feeling towards the road that I’m working on? What kind of smells do I smell, what kind of noise or sounds are around me? Stop kind of each tuning your physical body into being this full spectra sensual being in a way. And from that comes slowly another level of conscious consciousness and awareness that many of us have lost completely touch with.

Garry Turner  25:42  

What’s so helpful, Laura, thank you for thinking about myself now I’ve got a lovely beach down here where I go for a walk. Sometimes, if I’m honest, like going for that walk, listening to a podcast rather than necessarily taking in the smells and the sounds I’ve still got. I’m still enclosed I’m still shutting myself off, somehow, even if I’ve got this beautiful beach and I’m walking along. I find that really helpful reflection, just to really give yourself to the environment for a period of time.

Laura Storm  26:10  

And that’s why I say it’s, it’s not simple and I have to be aware of that myself because now I have, I have regained my health completely which I’m of course immensely thankful for but then I need to make sure that I don’t go back into the same default and it does take constant kind of awareness, also something that many of us are guilty of, just kind of immediately when we have a moment when we’re waiting for someone or something, we take up our phones. And after we introduce smartphones and tablets to our society, brain injuries have increased by 25, or 30%, which is quite saying in and of itself, which to me says a lot about well, our brains never get shut off time because we’re constantly bombarding it with so many kind of input that it doesn’t get that time to regenerate.

And that is in everything that we do that we allow those moments for everything, everything to regenerate to shut off and start again. Yeah.

Garry Turner  27:31  

It’s so lovely. Honestly, I really want to have you for the next two hours Laura because I know I don’t, so I’d like to move forward. I’d like to just touch on it so I think it’d be really helpful for our listeners. There’s five leadership principles that you speak about within your book. And you also spoke about this within, within your TEDx talk that you did, you spoke already about life giving, I’d really like if you wouldn’t mind speaking a little bit more about this life affirming leadership. Now what does that look like and how can people start to become more mindful of what this regenerative leadership looks like from a life affirming point of view.

Laura Storm  28:06  

So, nature is in and of itself life affirming which means life creates conditions conducive to life. And that is an ability that has been developed over millions of years of life on this planet, life has 3.8 billion years of experience in creating conditions conducive to life. And every time because nature is creative and has tested and tried out a lot of different life forms. Many have not succeeded, and those that have not succeeded, are those life forms that did not create conditions conducive for life and conditions conducive for what their species needs to continue their life so it’s basically, how can we ensure that from an organizational point of view, that our organization is constantly in everything that we do, creating the conditions that means that this organization can also thrive 5, 10 years from now. 

So we are not messing up the ecosystems, on which our livelihood and access to raw materials depend on. We are not messing up the human systems and the organizational design, and by treating our employees poorly. No, regenerative leaders are constantly having this, are constantly tuning in with the organism of the system and sensing where are there areas that feel alive, and are producing and being creative, and being innovative, and where are there situations where we as an entity are creating conditions conducive to degeneration or destruction. So where are we getting our own materials from, where are we getting, how are our suppliers treating their own employees, having that awareness that they are constantly with their money and with their products are constantly creating the reality and the life and the world that we live in. So, are an organization’s product products contributing with more life with more health and vitality, for our species, and for life on earth to continue, or are they actually contributing a route of degeneration. 

And in the end, extinction, because we are in the midst of a sixth mass extinction. It’s not something we talk a lot about, but it’s crazy to think about, that we are destroying, up until 1200 species, a day, because of human actions, it’s not something that is front and center on the news. But that’s the reality of things, the reality of things is that we shouldn’t have more plastic in our oceans than marine life. The reality of things is that we have depleted our soil so much by the way that we farm that it’s depleted from critical nutrients that we need to survive. I could go on and on and I will not in this interview, but it’s the reality of things that the way business is designed is in most cases for destruction. So how can we turn towards the intelligence of nature and see hey how can we employ the principles of life, the logic of life, to organizations, through that become more successful also financially. 

And that is what Giles Hutchins, and I have done in our book, we have provided a new framework that hopefully resonates with executives and business leaders, because it also speaks a business language, and both Giles and I have a business background so we understand that world as well. And we understand that there are some things that are important in terms of creating the right report from shareholders and owners and whatnot, but we actually believe that the logic of life applies to leadership, and applied to business sense is the only way forward. 

It also talks about how nature thrives through diversity and inclusion, how nature thrives through relationships, and that whole false belief that we have all been sort of like trained with and it’s good in every business language, and that it’s survival of the fittest, that we have falsely borrowed from from from from from Darwin, which is, which is actually a wrong interpretation of what he said he never said survival of the fittest as in strongest, most alpha. No, he meant survival of the species best able to fit in to create the right kind of relationships, make yourself as relevant and, and important to as many species as possible. Treat your surroundings in a way that the surroundings want to have you stick along, or stick around. 

So there’s been many ways where the scientific revolution, the technology revolution, the industrial revolution has created the narrative that the business world has borrowed, in a way, that is that is not conducive to life, that use things in mechanistic silos that use things as in order to survive, you need to be harsh and wretched, beat the competition. And that sort of language that you need to destroy in order to succeed is just something that I’m very, very keen on helping business leaders realize that that’s just an insane illusion. Because when you destroy, you also destroy yourself. Quite literally, because the challenge that we are in the midst of is one is an existential crisis.

Garry Turner  34:34  

You just touched on something Laura that’s so important to me personally, so I’m in a sales role. I worked in international business. And I for probably the last six months now that point about competition. I’ve been thinking a lot about that. And increasingly, as I’ve understood about your work and work with a mutual friend to give her a shout out Jenny Andersson, who kindly connected us, is part of the problem, the competition paradigm, that we believe that we need to be separate in order to win, rather than be part of this one system that we are all part of, so it should be collaboration over competition, basically. 

Laura Storm  35:11  

Yeah. And, but the thing is, as I’ve said a few times now we are all so trained, believing that we live in a world of scarcity. And that in order to get ahead, others have to fall behind. You need to get ahead of the competition you need. It’s everything, it’s from the small things to how my six year old daughter is measured in her kindergarten towards her peers in a very rigid one dimensional way. You have to fit into this matrix of how you are a successful six year old, right. And she’s doing quite well academically. But I think it’s such a shame that even some of her friends that may be the next I don’t know Mozart or have creative genius inside of them are told from the age of five or six that they are behind. And what does that do to a human being that already from that age, you get presented with life as a big competition and you need to win the race. If not you fall behind. All sorts of bad things will happen to you. 

We have not created a world where we are celebrating our differences. And when we have not created a life where we have succeeded, telling ourselves, that we are, or our kids that we want and in order for us to succeed, other than others need to succeed as well, is incredibly complex. And I think, what I mean is complex. How do we change that mindset, because it’s so inward with us, in us. And do we just wait and sit around for the next generation to take over, no, that’s not enough because our education system is also, rather, I was just about to use a very bad word, but it’s f’ed up, in many ways, how we are measured as human beings in the educational system for so long, is hurting so many people. So many people are being told for so many years that they are wrong human beings, and their talents are not celebrated. 

So that’s something that I feel strongly about as well because we can’t just sit around and wait for the next generation to take over, no we need to change the systems radically now and we need to have these conversations that you and I are having. We need to host conferences that are talking about whole human beings. And I personally need to dare talk about what I mean with regenerative leadership in the field of sustainability that is also incredibly mechanistic and only focused on implementing the right kind of technology and the right kind of political frameworks. The Sustainable Development Goals is taking up a lot of airtime which is great and the agenda is moving ahead but still it’s very silo focused, it’s communicated in a matrix, the goals are not communicating, and there’s nothing in there that speaks to a new level of consciousness, a different level of consciousness that makes us step one step back and look at ourselves as a collective that needs to collaborate in different ways, but it’s challenging because we are all constantly triggered and so am I. 

Because how can I give an example, for all kinds of programs that I am creating with colleagues. The issue of ownership, then comes up. So who owns, I mean technically we operate in the world of today where all kind of projects have to be legally anchored in in a, in some kind of entity. So, who, who owns this. And do we want to go all the way that it’s, it’s, we all own this program. But then again at the end of the day we also need to make sure that we can feed our babies and that we have a roof over our heads. So this kind of fear trigger is within all of us also those of us that are dedicated to our life’s work to this, because we, we all have this. And, yeah, it’s so deeply ingrained in us and I don’t have all the answers as to how we can avoid that, because we just live in a world where 1% owns most. And we need to survive and it’s triggering our survival kind of gene.

Laura Storm  40:04  

We operate in the world of today where all kinds of projects have to be deeply anchored in a, in some kind of entity. So who owns this? And do we want to go all the way, that it’s we all own this program. But, but then again at the end of the day we also need to make sure that we can feed our babies and that we have a roof over our heads. So this kind of feel trigger is within all of us also those of us that are, that have dedicated our life’s work to this, because we, we all have this. Yeah, it’s so deeply ingrained in us and I don’t have all the answers as to how we can avoid that, because we just live in a world where 1% owns most. And we need to survive but it’s triggering our survival. Kind of deep.

Garry Turner  41:00  

It’s so interesting what one of the, and again, without trying to be too political I don’t know enough about it, but something that seems to speak quite powerfully as part of the solution for of me is this basic income, which people talk about which is actually how do we move to a system where everybody gets those base hierarchy of needs covered, you know, food and shelter. And then from there you can exceed and you can grow, and you can make collectively, but everybody’s okay, rather than this huge disparity. So, I’m hopeful that some of these interventions will gain, I think it’s right to be direct as we are and we are being in this conversation, but I also hope people get curious about what some of the solutions may be. So do you have any other ideas in terms of bringing us back to ourselves, and back together collectively, are there any other recommendations or ideas as well as reading your book Regenerative Leadership where people should go or if they’re curious to learn more about this?

Laura Storm  42:03  

And you mean a tip to where to start their journey?

Garry Turner  42:06  

Or maybe some references or resources maybe if someone piques their curiosity to today, Laura, and they’re going, where do I start where’s where’s where’s where’s maybe a resource maybe a website or somewhere they can go to start to be curious.

Laura Storm  42:19  Yeah well you’ve mentioned Jenny because Jenny is the reason that you that you and I met and Jenny (Andersson) And she has an organization called Activate the Future I can’t remember it, but you can Google her but she’s very active on Facebook, and has started some billion communities there one called magical cells that you can become part of to, to create this discussion and be a part of that. There is also, and also has a lot of very interesting blog posts on medium. Daniel Christian Wahl is is very interesting as well and is also running a few communities on Facebook, where there’s plenty of resources to dive into, of course my Regenerative Leadership co author Giles Hutchins has written a few other books that I would also recommend. So those are good starting points. And then on my website, regenerators. There’s also a list of references to other books, also on Giles and my shared website. There’s also a list of resources you can click on and there comes a list of recommended books and resources and videos to dive into. 

Regenerative Leadership

So there is plenty to get inspired by and to start your journey slow. And one thing that I would really like to say is that, if any of what we have talked about today and your new other interviews are intriguing, your curiosity. There’s of course plenty of podcast interviews, etc. You can start listening to which is helpful. I also did a podcast series by the way, a few years ago called cracks of light that is on my personal website called Cracks of Life that you could listen to. 

What I just want to say is referring back to what we’ve all already talked about. If I could only. If I could only suggest one thing, it would be to create the space throughout your day. Maybe 10 minutes time for morning, midday, afternoon, evening, where you just connect with yourself and just be with yourself. How am I feeling? How was my day? What felt good What did not feel good. And first and foremost be incredibly kind and compassionate towards yourself, because we’re living in a challenging time. And it can be easy once we start kind of once the lightbulb goes on. And we become like whoa the life that I’m living in or the life that I have designed for myself it’s not making me feel happy. It’s not making me feel healthy I feel, I feel empty inside. 

Two things can happen, you can become incredibly depressed, not knowing what to do. Or you can shut off because the realization that you have lived most of your life. In a lie in a way, is so depressing that you don’t want to go down there so you just keep on pretending Everything is fine. So, being critically kind to yourself on this journey and take one step at a time, and knowing, what I’m trying to say, is that make this exciting, make this fun, and make this compassionate, and be thankful to yourself that you have started to realize that there may be another way of designing life on Earth, there may be another way for you and that it’s, now I’m going to be very esoteric, but the fact that you feel intrigued and curious, is because there’s something deeper inside you that is trying to communicate to you. So make those spaces to listen to what that is trying to tell you.

Garry Turner  46:31  

What a lovely way to wrap up, Laura I really appreciate your time today. Thank you so much. I’ve learned a lot. I’m sure we’ve learned a lot together. And I’d also like to add to that as well I’ve learned only in the last few months, in case it’s helpful, that learning and sharing like this in community is really powerful and really helpful. We don’t need to do it on our own.

Laura Storm  46:49  

I know, exactly and speak of Jenny and the community. She and I are actually launching a community where we are holding space for a longer period of time. for people that have this desire and this longing. But instead of like an eight week long online program that people forget about I don’t really prioritize we have designed them in a way where it really becomes part of everyday life slowly but surely because we see again and again how many people are on this journey and are longing for people that are on a similar speed of their life, and miss new kind of peers, and miss new kind of soulmates in a way that they can join you with, and and be together with in real time.

Garry Turner  47:46  

What’s wonderful is that already started or is that something that’s upcoming?

Laura Storm  47:49  

It’s something we’re creating now and we will launch in a few weeks.

Garry Turner  47:53  

Well,  do give me the details. I’ll make sure all of your contact details are in the show notes and if you just like to let those of us as we depart today what’s the best way to find it. What’s the best medium to reach you?

Laura Storm 48:07  

I am actually quite active on Instagram. But other than that, I’m on LinkedIn and Facebook, and have my personal website that you may include in the show notes and then the regenerative leadership site.

Garry Turner  48:24  

Wonderful. And I’ll also make sure that the TEDx talk that you did recently before you gave birth to your second child is also in the show notes. 

Laura Storm  48:32  

And actually if people are interested in in the experience of surrendering that I did almost five years ago when I had my, my brain injury, I did a TEDx on that as well. So that’s maybe something that is interesting to people were I dive deep into what happened. And how did I surrender to silence.

Garry Turner  48:54  

Wonderful. Well I think we could all do a bit more of that including me. So, until next time, thank you for your time, much appreciated.

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Garry Turner

With over 20 years of international sales, business development and relationship-building experience combined with a deep understanding of people, team and culture dynamics, Garry Turner serves individuals, teams and leaders as a strategic advisor and interpersonal catalyst.